PFA Player of the Year 08/09

[David10]

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Ich finde es auch nicht in Ordnung, dass man als offensiver Spieler wesentlich leichter einen Award gewinnt, als ein defensiver Spieler und die Leistung defensiver Spieler in den meisten Fällen unterbewertet wird.

Was redest du für einen Stuss? Die gesamte Manchester Defensive war nominiert...

[Kingkooli]

Was redest du für einen Stuss? Die gesamte Manchester Defensive war nominiert...

Mit lesen hast dus nicht so oder? Nominierung = Sieg

Das ein Offensivspieler eher einen Award gewinnt als ein Verteidiger/Torhüter ist aber auch ganz was neues....

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[I hald]

Jawohl!

Giggs absolut verdient.

Was hat denn Gerrad überhaupt in der engeren Auswahl verloren?

[themanwho]

@ Captain Gerrard 8 - das nächste sinnlose, absolut themenfremde Posting verschiebe ich gar nimma ins Tea House, der wird einfach gelöscht.

Und generell, wenn diese Diskussion nur mehr sinnfrei geführt wird, dann mach ich den Thread einfach zu.

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[liverbird]

Benyaoun ist wohl ein Scherz, aber hat der Überhaupt einen Stammplatz, wenn alle fit sind.

Hat Giggs einen? Benayoun hat dann im Endeffekt eben noch fünfmal so viele Tore wie Giggs auf dem Konto.

Wie man rechtfertigen will, dass Giggs zurecht in der engeren Auswahl war und Lampard, der so nebenbei 12 Tore geschossen und 10 Assists geliefert hat (Vgl.: Giggs 1/8) und der mit Abstand beste Spieler von Chelsea in dieser Saison war, nicht, entzieht sich ehrlich gesagt meiner Kenntnis. Ich will nicht Giggs' Leistungen in dieser Saison schmälern, da waren sicher einige gute dabei, nur ein Spieler der weniger als die Hälfte aller PL-Minuten auf dem Feld gestanden ist (und ein einziges, zugegeben schönes Tor, gemacht hat), kann einfach nicht Spieler des Jahres sein.

Alonso als möglichen Kandidaten zu nennen find ich auch etwas seltsam. War mit Sicherheit der beste defensive/zentrale Mittelfeldspieler und hätte sich eine Nominierung eher verdient als Ferdinand, Giggs oder van der Sar.

Aber gut, der Modus führt die ganze Wahl ad absurdum. Wenn die Spieler knapp nach der Hälfte der Saison ihre Kandidaten bekannt geben müssen, kann dabei meistens nichts Gescheites herauskommen.

[themanwho]

Nach dem 25. Spieltag mussten die Spieler ihre Wahl bekanntgeben. Und am 25. Spieltag spielte United zufällig in West Ham. In diesem Spiel erzielte zufällig ein Mann namens Giggs das entscheidende 0-1, in unnachahmlicher Manier (manche Idioten würden es auch Gurkentor nennen). Insofern war die Wahl durch die nachfolgende Berichterstattung extrem beeinflusst, das kann keiner negieren. Nein, Giggs wäre nicht Spieler des Jahres geworden, wenn nur Leistung bewertet worden wäre. Dann wäre es Gerrard oder Vidic geworden. Die werden es wohl auch bei einer Journalistenwahl, mein Gott, ich würde euch sogar vergönnen dass Gerrard um Hochhäuser das Rennen macht, damit dieses Geheule hier endlich aufhört. Habt ihr echt nix besseres zu tun, als diese Sympathiespielerwahl zu kritisieren?

[LFC]

Habt ihr echt nix besseres zu tun, als diese Sympathiespielerwahl zu kritisieren?

Mir ist diese Wahl egal - habe auch nichts dazu gepostet.

Aber wenn nicht darüber diskutiert werden soll, warum wurde der Thread dann eröffnet?

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[themanwho]

Mir ist diese Wahl egal - habe auch nichts dazu gepostet.

Aber wenn nicht darüber diskutiert werden soll, warum wurde der Thread dann eröffnet?

Klar kann darüber diskutiert werden, aber Kollege liverbird (der diesen Thread damals, offensichtlich aus Frustration, eröffnet hat) heult jetzt schon sagenhafte 5 (!!!) Tage wegen Giggs herum. Sobald ein Argument dann das xte mal fällt, kann man die Diskussion auch schließen.

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[MILANISTA]

Pools Pundits John Barnes & Tony Cascarino Decry PFA Award

New Football Pools pundits John Barnes and Tony Cascarino reflect with Goal.com on the PFA Awards - and neither is impressed with the voting system or the choice of winner...

Manchester United winger Ryan Giggs wins the 2009 PFA Player of the Year award

John Barnes, the former Liverpool and England star, and Tony Cascarino, the ex-Republc of Ireland striker, are pundits for the New Football Pools - and independently they told Goal.com that the wrong person won the PFA Awards earlier this week...

John Barnes told us:

"The PFA Awards were handed out this week and I was surprised to see that Ryan Giggs had won the Player of the Year award. Now don’t get me wrong, Ryan is a great ambassador for the game, a great player and a nice guy too, and I think what he’s achieved deserves to be recognised. However, this is an award judged on the performance of this season and for me, Steven Gerrard should have won it.

"In reality Steven has been the best player in the Premier League this season and deserved the award. He continues to drive Liverpool forward year-on-year and while Giggs has performed well, he has only made 12 Premier League starts for United which suggests he is not even first choice at Old Trafford.

"I can’t say I agree with the decision but good luck to Ryan for winning the award. It’s just a shame after so many great seasons at Old Trafford that he’s won it in a year when he’s not played more of a key role for Manchester United."

Tony Cascarino was even more forthright on the same topic...

"The fact that Ryan Giggs has won the PFA Player of the Year award is absolute nonsense in my opinion. I’ve nothing against Ryan who has been a fantastic advocate for the game and his club but he has won purely on a sentiment vote.

"Giggs has made less Premier League starts than in any of his previous seasons barring his debut season and scored just once in the league yet wins the award. How does that make sense?

"Let’s be brutally honest, Steven Gerrard has been 10 times better than Giggs this season. Apart from one poor game against Chelsea in the Champions League he has been great this season.

"Steven has made 26 league starts and scored 13 goals in a great season for him personally. In fact, I’d put players who weren’t even in the nominations higher than Giggs this season. His team-mate Wayne Rooney has been good as has Frank Lampard who has continued to score from midfield. Therefore, this award must go down as a sentiment vote which totally devalues the award.

"Even in my playing days I always regarded these awards as a bit of nonsense, basically because players tend to vote stupidly. They go for names of players they rate rather than people that have played well over the course of the season. Just look at this year’s team of the year. Take into account the votes are made in January and that Fernando Torres is in the side. Now don’t get me wrong Torres is a top, top striker but he has missed a lot of the season and only scored seven league goals by the end of January. He has only been at his best in the last few months so you have to take these votes into context.

"Edwin van der Sar was a nominee for the overall award as well as named in the team of the year which I don’t agree with. For me, the Dutchman can’t kick a ball properly and tends to shank it all over the place. He is certainly not in the same class as the likes of Peter Schmeichel and David Seaman. If you had to pick a keeper I’d have gone for Aston Villa’s Brad Friedel or Liverpool’s Jose Reina who have both performed really well.

"Votes should be cast at the end of the season which would help improve the awards, but while players pick other players they like rather than those who deserve it, these strange decisions will continue."

John Barnes and Tony Cascarino for Goal.com

bearbeitet 2. Mai 2009 von MILANISTA

[Charlie134]

Pools Pundits John Barnes & Tony Cascarino Decry PFA Award

New Football Pools pundits John Barnes and Tony Cascarino reflect with Goal.com on the PFA Awards - and neither is impressed with the voting system or the choice of winner...

Manchester United winger Ryan Giggs wins the 2009 PFA Player of the Year award

John Barnes, the former Liverpool and England star, and Tony Cascarino, the ex-Republc of Ireland striker, are pundits for the New Football Pools - and independently they told Goal.com that the wrong person won the PFA Awards earlier this week...

John Barnes told us:

"The PFA Awards were handed out this week and I was surprised to see that Ryan Giggs had won the Player of the Year award. Now don’t get me wrong, Ryan is a great ambassador for the game, a great player and a nice guy too, and I think what he’s achieved deserves to be recognised. However, this is an award judged on the performance of this season and for me, Steven Gerrard should have won it.

"In reality Steven has been the best player in the Premier League this season and deserved the award. He continues to drive Liverpool forward year-on-year and while Giggs has performed well, he has only made 12 Premier League starts for United which suggests he is not even first choice at Old Trafford.

"I can’t say I agree with the decision but good luck to Ryan for winning the award. It’s just a shame after so many great seasons at Old Trafford that he’s won it in a year when he’s not played more of a key role for Manchester United."

Tony Cascarino was even more forthright on the same topic...

"The fact that Ryan Giggs has won the PFA Player of the Year award is absolute nonsense in my opinion. I’ve nothing against Ryan who has been a fantastic advocate for the game and his club but he has won purely on a sentiment vote.

"Giggs has made less Premier League starts than in any of his previous seasons barring his debut season and scored just once in the league yet wins the award. How does that make sense?

"Let’s be brutally honest, Steven Gerrard has been 10 times better than Giggs this season. Apart from one poor game against Chelsea in the Champions League he has been great this season.

"Steven has made 26 league starts and scored 13 goals in a great season for him personally. In fact, I’d put players who weren’t even in the nominations higher than Giggs this season. His team-mate Wayne Rooney has been good as has Frank Lampard who has continued to score from midfield. Therefore, this award must go down as a sentiment vote which totally devalues the award.

"Even in my playing days I always regarded these awards as a bit of nonsense, basically because players tend to vote stupidly. They go for names of players they rate rather than people that have played well over the course of the season. Just look at this year’s team of the year. Take into account the votes are made in January and that Fernando Torres is in the side. Now don’t get me wrong Torres is a top, top striker but he has missed a lot of the season and only scored seven league goals by the end of January. He has only been at his best in the last few months so you have to take these votes into context.

"Edwin van der Sar was a nominee for the overall award as well as named in the team of the year which I don’t agree with. For me, the Dutchman can’t kick a ball properly and tends to shank it all over the place. He is certainly not in the same class as the likes of Peter Schmeichel and David Seaman. If you had to pick a keeper I’d have gone for Aston Villa’s Brad Friedel or Liverpool’s Jose Reina who have both performed really well.

"Votes should be cast at the end of the season which would help improve the awards, but while players pick other players they like rather than those who deserve it, these strange decisions will continue."

John Barnes and Tony Cascarino for Goal.com

korrekt. mehr gibts eigentlich nicht zu sagen

[themanwho]

Jo, eh. Und wer hat hier das Gegenteil behauptet?

Allerdings, wenn man John Barnes fragt, hätte man gleich auch Gary Pallister o.ä. befragen können. Und Cascarino scheint im Bezug auf die fußballerischen Fähigkeiten von Van der Sar etwas wirr im Kopf zu sein.

[Starostyak]

Barnes... wer wird als nächster gefragt, Dalglish? Fat Spanish Waiter? Ahahahahaha.

[David10]

Fat Spanish Waiter?

Wieder so ein geiler Mod, geile Ausdrücke, aber sobald wir mal was los lassen wird's ja gelöscht.

Ich liebe es schon in diesem Propaganda-Forum zu lesen.

[liverbird]

Barnes... wer wird als nächster gefragt, Dalglish? Fat Spanish Waiter? Ahahahahaha.

Es ist eigenltich vollkommen egal, wer gefragt wird, denn keiner, der sich auch nur ein bisschen mit der PL in dieser Saison befasst hat, wird etwas anderes sagen.

[Kingkooli]

Wird die Wahl jetzt eigentlich bis zur Neuauflage im nächsten Jahr durchdiskutiert