Valencia CF

[chinomoreno]

In einem anderen Forum schreibt einer, daß in der Sportwoche steht, daß Valencia angeblich an Didulica dran is? Weiß man davon in Spanien auch bzw. wie siehts mit den Goalies jetzt aus bei Valencia, könnt mir das Gerücht höchstens als 2er-Goalie vorstellen.

(Wie gesagt, geht über 3 Ecken, ich glaubs eigentlich nicht, aber vielleicht können ja mal die Spezialisten in der spanischen Gerüchteküche nachschauen/recherchieren )

Hab nachgeschaut, aber nirgends etwas dazu finden können. Könnte ein in Holland entstandenes Gerücht sein, in den spanischen Medien und Foren war dazu nichts zu lesen. Valencia sucht aber wirklich einen Ersatztormann, das stimmt, da Hildebrand im Winter gehen wird (müssen), ist ein offenes Geheimnis.

@m1chael: Lizenz gibt es immer. Und wenn das Stadion fertig ist, sind sie auch wieder flüssig.

[Jorly]

- Valencia hat den 19-jährigen Brasilianer Thiago Carleto, LV, vom Santos FC verpflichtet. Vertrag wird bis 2014 laufen. Ablösesumme soll ~ 600.000 € betragen:

http://valenciacf.com/contenidos/Actualida...tml?__locale=es

Die linke Abwehrseite ist ja eher eine der Schwachstellen von Valencia, mit diesem Jungen, der aufgrund seiner Schusskraft oft mit Roberto Carlos verglichen wird, könnte den Che ein echter Coup gelungen sein, v.a. um diesen Preis.

bearbeitet 26. November 2008 von Jorly

[real_madrid_31]

Trotz der finanziellen Not ist man nicht gewillt die Stars Villa und Silva ziehen zu lassen.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/...lo/1191877.html

[chinomoreno]

Trotz der finanziellen Not ist man nicht gewillt die Stars Villa und Silva ziehen zu lassen.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/...lo/1191877.html

Scheint sich mittlerweile geändert zu haben:

450 Millionen Euro Schulden bei Valencia

Nach dem Machtwechsel an der Spitze des Vereins schließt der neue Präsident den Verkauf von David Villa und David Silva "keinesfalls aus".

Den FC Valencia drücken die Finanzprobleme. 450 Millionen Euro ist der Schuldenberg mittlerweile hoch. Alleine bei der Sparkasse Bancaja steht der Verein mit 240 Millionen Euro in der Kreide. Da der Verein nun auch den Spielern bereits 15 Millionen Euro schuldig ist, wurde am Mittwoch Präsident Vicente Soriano und an seiner Stelle Javier Gomez, ein Vertrauensmann der Sparkasse Bancaja, eingesetzt.

Gomez will nun "einen Plan aufstellen, der das wirtschaftliche Überleben des Vereins sichern soll." Teil des Plans könnte der Verkauf der beiden Stars David Silva und David Villa sein. Jedenfalls ließ der neue Präsident via Medien ausrichten, dass er die "keinesfalls ausschließen kann". Villas Marktwert wird auf über 35 Millionen Euro geschätzt, der von Silva auf über 20 Millionen.

http://www.kurier.at/sportundmotor/299926.php

Selbst der Stadionbau musste jetzt bis auf weiteres unterbrochen werden, weil keine Mittel mehr zur Verfügung stehen.

[Jordi]

Interessant, hab in den letzten Tagen eigentlich immer davon gelesen, dass man dank neuer Sponsoren usw. halbwegs über dem Berg ist. Werd dies nach der Arbeit nochmal suchen.

[chinomoreno]

Hab die Geschichten um die Ché seit ein paar Wochen überhaupt nicht verfolgt und bin erst durch den Wechsel von Soriano zu Gómez wieder darauf aufmerksam geworden. Jedenfalls hat er nach seinem Amtsantritt schon ziemlich klare Worte gesprochen und meinte, dass es überhaupt nicht gut aussieht. Anscheinend ist man im Moment nicht einmal in der Lage Gehälter gänzlich auszubezahlen oder alle noch offenen Transfersummen zu überweisen. Zum Beispiel schuldet man Internacional für Renan noch ca. 3 Millionen, die schon lange fällig wären. Im schlimmsten Fall könnte sich da auch die FIFA einschalten.

Wird für mich bei diesen Meldungen immer unverständlicher, warum man nicht schon letzten Sommer beim Spielermaterial abgebaut hat, als die Angebote für Villa und Silva am höchsten waren. Stattdessen zog man es vor sie (auf dem Papier) noch einmal mit Geld zuzuschütten.

[Jordi]

Dürften wohl nur Teilerfolge erzielt haben. Auf jeden Fall bekommen sie ersmals von Mediapro 45 und jedes weitere Jahr 49 Mio Euro jährlich, mit Zahlungsgarantie (http://valenciacf.lasprovincias.es/noticia...o-20090227.html

Außerdem ist mit Kappa ein neuer Ausstatter gefunden worden. Wert des Vertrags angeblich (unbestätigt) 30 Mio. Euro.

Dazu kommt noch, dass Unibet wohl nächstes Jahr als neuer Trikotsponsor auftreten wird. Wie viel Geld da jedoch genau locker gemacht wird:

Wird auf jeden Fall sehr spannend, wies (vor allem) im Sommer bei Valencia weitergehen wird.

[Jordi]

Guadians Sid Lowe zur Krise in Valencia:

Vultures circle over Valencia's carcass

Montag, 09. März 2009 18:53Sid Lowe

With a team in freefall the coach says a once-proud club have hit rock bottom, but the slide towards oblivion has barely begun

The man in the hard hat put his fingers to his lips and whistled. "All right, lads," he shouted, "down tools." Newspapers were ditched, trousers hitched back up over gaping cracks, and cigarettes stubbed out. The cranes that towered over the half-built arena, a gigantic white elephant seating 75,000, ceased swinging and the men in blue pants stopped what they were doing. Ten kilometres inland at Paterna, you could be forgiven for thinking that the men in the grey training kits had already done likewise. The twenty-fifth of February and Valencia admitted that work had stopped on their new stadium. Barely a fortnight later and their coach admitted that his team had hit "rock bottom".

It is no coincidence. The same crisis that stopped Valencia building their new stadium had already stopped them paying their players. And since Valencia's players stopped getting paid, they've stopped winning matches.

At the start of the year Valencia were second having just defeated an Atlético Madrid side who were unbeaten in nine. Nine games later, they're out of Europe and unlikely to get back into it too.

Down in eighth, the same number of points separate them from relegation as the top and they've won just once in their last nine matches, not at all since payments ceased six weeks ago. Yesterday, second bottom Numancia, a team who had scored two goals in eight matches scored two more in 12 minutes to beat them 2–1. In just over a month, they've been defeated by Numancia, Mallorca and Osasuna – three of the bottom four.

And yet Unai Emery was wrong. The most depressing thing about Valencia is that they could yet fall further – and not just because David Villa, scorer of almost 50% of their goals, is injured. That's merely the latest, seemingly inevitable setback for a club in crisis. After all, as the Spanish phrase has it, all a skinny dog attracts is fleas. And Valencia are one mangy mutt. With an eejit for an owner.

Valencia CF should be one of Spain's great institutions. Instead, it is a football club that hasn't hit the self-destruct button so much as bludgeoned it into submission with a sledgehammer. Between 2000 and 2004, Valencia reached two Champions League finals, won two league titles and the Uefa Cup. Then along came Juan Bautista Soler, football's very own Brian Potter. Four years later, Valencia had boasted five sporting directors, three director generals, three medical chiefs, three ostracised footballers, a day in court against their own captain, and no trophies. The club's debt had risen from €125m to over €400m, €17m each had gone on Nikola Zigic, Manuel Fernandes, and Ever Banega and over €30m was spent paying off Claudio Ranieri, Quique Sánchez Flores and Ronald Koeman. But there was always the pelotazo – develop the land upon which the training ground and Mestalla stood. Valencia would sell up, move somewhere better, and make a fortune. "We're going to be the envy of Spain," Soler said.

There was just one tiny flaw in the plan: it was rubbish. The property bubble that propped up the Spanish economy burst; economic crisis hit harder than anywhere else, leaving three million unemployed, two million new homes empty, hundreds of thousands of buildings half-finished, and Spanish football clubs owing the taxman over €600m. Soler had little choice but to walk; as if to prove a point, Valencia won the Copa del Rey within a month of his departure.

Liberation came at a price. Valencia hadn't so much been left with an albatross round their necks as a whole bunch of the beaky blighters. If embargoed Atlético Madrid thought they had it tough when they only received half the fee for Fernando Torres, Valencia are completely screwed – saddled with a bloated squad, a midfield with an average age of 72, two training grounds and two stadiums, one they couldn't sell and one they couldn't afford to build. It wasn't just the albatrosses either, there was a circle of vultures too. Since Soler's departure Valencia have had four new presidents, each as bad as the last. In six months they've had six sporting directors. Within three weeks of becoming coach, Emery had worked under more bosses than in his entire career.

First came Agustín Morera, a figurehead appointed by Soler. Then it was Juan Villalonga, former prime minister José María Aznar's bosom buddy and the man who helped make Telefónica what it is today – the world's most useless institution. He claimed that being president of Valencia was his destiny – which is why he's going to run for the presidency at Real Madrid – and promised the world. He also promised to buy Soler's shares for €76m, sack Emery, bring in Luis Aragonés and sign loads of stars. Sixteen days later he departed clutching the €10m fee Soler paid him for a fortnight running the club.

Next up was the club's second largest shareholder Vicente Soriano, who promised to pay €80m for Soler's shares and find someone to take Mestalla for €300m. He did neither. Soler threatened to take the club back, only he doesn't really want it. A €50m a year television deal with Medipro followed but it was a drop in the ocean. The fleas leapt on board. Nike abandoned them and so did the regional government; Bancaja refused to extend their credit. The debt spiralled. Valencia owed €14m to FCC and Bertolín, the companies constructing the new stadium, and €14m to the players. Eventually, Soriano admitted that he couldn't pay. "It's been lie after lie," complained Edu.

Last week, Bancaja decided they'd had enough. Owed €240m, they took over the club with the backing of Soler (still the majority shareholder), appointing Javier Gómez as executive director and going over the head of Soriano, whose 10% share package leaves him impotent and soon to be replaced. Gómez has already announced a policy of austerity. In short, administration without the administrators. Cutbacks and sales are guaranteed; payment for the players still are not forthcoming and nor is a buyer for either stadium. Far from hitting rock bottom last night, Valencia's troubles might have only just begun. Losing Villa for three weeks is no big deal; losing him for good most certainly is. And even that might not be enough for them to win their fight for survival.

Guardian

[forza_rossoneri]

wie gehts eigentlich mit zigic weiter?

hat santander eine kaufoption?

von einer rückkehr zu valencia kann man ja nicht wirklich ausgehen, nehm ich mal an

[chinomoreno]

wie gehts eigentlich mit zigic weiter?

hat santander eine kaufoption?

von einer rückkehr zu valencia kann man ja nicht wirklich ausgehen, nehm ich mal an

Nein, gibt keine Kaufoption, denke auch nicht, dass er zurückkehrt, Emery hat ihm schon letzten Sommer klar zu verstehen gegeben, dass er ihn nicht haben will. Dürfte, sollte sich Racing die 9 Millionen Euro, die Valencia für ihn von Interessenten(zuletzt angeblich Blackburn und Portsmouth) fordert, nicht leisten können, nach England gehen. Von dort gabs jedenfalls die bisher meisten Anfragen für ihn.

Interessant übrigens, dass die Ché nichts von ihm halten und ihm so gut wie gar keine Chance gegeben haben, in seinem Leihvertrag aber explizit festgehalten ist, dass Racing ihn nicht gegen Valencia einsetzen darf.

[forza_rossoneri]

Nein, gibt keine Kaufoption, denke auch nicht, dass er zurückkehrt, Emery hat ihm schon letzten Sommer klar zu verstehen gegeben, dass er ihn nicht haben will. Dürfte, sollte sich Racing die 9 Millionen Euro, die Valencia für ihn von Interessenten(zuletzt angeblich Blackburn und Portsmouth) fordert, nicht leisten können, nach England gehen. Von dort gabs jedenfalls die bisher meisten Anfragen für ihn.

Interessant übrigens, dass die Ché nichts von ihm halten und ihm so gut wie gar keine Chance gegeben haben, in seinem Leihvertrag aber explizit festgehalten ist, dass Racing ihn nicht gegen Valencia einsetzen darf.

und dass er plötzlich wieder tor um tor macht

versteh irgendwie sowieso nicht, warum man ihn um viel geld geholt hat, jedoch kaum eine chance gegeben hat

[MILANISTA]

Spanish Inquisition: The End Of Valencia - Everyone Must Go - But Where?

If Milan or Madrid are in some kind of crisis, we need a new word for Valencia. Goal.com's Sulmaan Ahmad runs through the top talents Los Che may have to sell this summer...

All hail Javier Gomez.

A couple of weeks ago, the Valencia CEO delivered a message that the world has been waiting for what seems like an eternity. Something we have long known but club president Vicente Soriano and his henchmen refused to publicly acknowledge. We all knew it, but we needed to hear it.

Apparently, they have a little bit of debt. OK - that we knew - but Gomez dared to go where no Che had gone before: he admitted that Valencia are likely to be forced into considering the sale of their star players in order to stay afloat.

And right he was. Without an overzealous, happy-go-lucky Sheikh handy, €450 million won't just fall out of the sky to save the souls of Soriano & Co.

Guilty | Soler destroyed Valencia

And they, of course, can only make feeble attempts to clear the wreckage left by former president Juan Soler, who took a club on the up and set them on a self-destructive downward spiral completely unlike almost anything ever seen in the history of Spanish football.

Firing, hiring, then firing some more seemed to be his solution to just about everything. A four-year reign of unbridled self-destruction saw the club crumbling long before the on-field capitulation of last season and this. The cost of treating employees behind the scenes (as well as some in the spotlight) like disposable handywipes caught up with him in ways he quite clearly never thought possible. He tendered his resignation in March 2008, leaving the club resembling something of a post-iceberg Titanic.

Tragic | Koeman capitulated

Caught between one stadium that is quite literally falling to pieces and another that is halfway through construction and unable to be completed due to the global recession (which has hit Spanish construction about as hard as every fan dreamt of hitting Ronald Koeman at this time last season), the club really has nowhere to go, geographically or financially.

It goes without saying that, like every other pre-programmed, media-trained drone of a footballer, not a single Valencia player has really laid out on the table just how the cracks showing upstairs have affected them at ground level.

They haven't even been paid in weeks. The fact of the matter is that there aren't just cracks upstairs, there are full-blown hemorrhaging, internal plate-shifting, earthquakes and debris falling from the roof in the dressing room. Which, given the current state of the Mestalla, probably isn't that far from reality.

The bottom line is that not even having Kaka, Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi on their books - just for the purposes of selling them - could save Valencia at this point. At very best, they would be able to break even, temporarily, before the creditors come back, maneuvering for more Mestalla money that simply isn't there anymore.

So by now you can imagine, while any attempt to make or save money seems futile, every little really does help. The club has to sell any assets it can, and those most readily available and marketable are the players.

This is a club that was one of the main representatives in the Spanish national side that won EURO 2008. It's not a bad squad, even if many of the recent signings have left something to be desired.

David And David - Valencia's Two Goliaths

Since falling off the international radar as they did last season, Valencia are now a club known only for two players: David Villa and David Silva. The rest may not as well exist.

Both staked their claim to being world class stars at EURO 2008, with Villa in particular shining, finishing as the tournament's top scorer.

David Villa | 27, striker

Approx. Value: €30m

Interested: Manchester City, Barcelona, Real Madrid

And it has been Villa who has carried on this run of incredible form into the domestic season, often single-handedly winning matches for Los Che, scoring spectacular and vital goals on a regular basis. He is considered by many as the best striker in the world, yet he is playing at the worst 'big' club there is.

His loyalty to Valencia has been commendable, if not somewhat dumbfounding. It's not his hometown club, and in fact, he had already been very prolific before joining in 2004 from Real Zaragoza. He has enjoyed next to no success at the Mestalla on a team level, yet he has been all too eager to stay when leaving would have been not just easy, not just lucrative and not just successful - but all three.

Only now is his future finally becoming a matter of public uncertainty. The player himself has said very little, but it is becoming increasingly obvious that David Villa will leave Valencia this summer. Barcelona are heading the way for his signature, possibly as a replacement for the prolific yet problematic Samuel Eto'o.

Coming in behind are Man City, who have the money but not too much else going for them at the minute. Kaka's decision to stay at AC Milan set a monumental precedent. Many will now follow suit, and Villa, for one, is more than likely to follow his example. City would only stand any chance of interesting him if they win the UEFA Cup.

Real Madrid were close to signing him last summer, but wouldn't go the extra mile that was being asked of them by Soriano, who was all too eager to keep new coach Unai Emery on his good side. Now, the Merengues have brought in Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, who is scoring goals as freely as he did in the Eredivisie. Is there still room for Villa? Maybe. A bidding war of Clasico proportions for the country's finest could take place this summer.

Then there are Chelsea and Liverpool, who are both looking to revamp over the summer with new managers and new contracts in the air. Either of them could yet venture to Villa's villa as a surprise bidder and maybe, despite the striker's apparent preference for remaining in his homeland, gatecrash the Spanish party. The man himself, meanwhile, seems almost entirely disinterested.

David Silva | 23, midfielder

Approx. Value: €20m

Interested: Barcelona, Juventus

It's not unfair to even say that Villa's loyalty is greater than Silva's, which is more than a little confusing, as it is the latter who came through the ranks with the club.

He's considerably younger than Villa and a more versatile player with exceptional technique. He can be deployed all over midfield, but tends to operate best as the central playmaker behind the strikers; think of him as a more free-moving Juan Roman Riquelme or perhaps a slightly more savvy Joe Cole.

He was allegedly the subject of interest from Manchester United late in the summer but announced that he would only leave Los Che for another club in Spain, "such as Barcelona or Real Madrid".

As such, Juventus may be hard-pressed to land him as their successor to Pavel Nedved, as has been reported sporadically in the continental press over the past few weeks. There has been fleeting interest from English clubs, but none of it concrete.

There was a time that Valencia insisted they would never sell Villa or Silva. Then there were murmurs that one had to go. Now, surely, both will be on their way. If the club's current slide continues, they may not even qualify for the UEFA Cup. They were second at the turn of the year.

Villa and Silva aren't the be all and end all of Valencia. Shrewder coaches and sporting directors worldwide will be keeping their eyes open for some bargain hunting this summer.

Raul Albiol has been the unfortunate victim of attempting to be part of a defence so tragic, it is only made to look good because Atletico Madrid somehow do that much worse every week. He nevertheless is a young, promising prospect of great physical stature - he impressed in Spain's win over England - and he has been linked with Arsenal on more than one occasion.

There are also the wingmen, Joaquin and Vicente, once the pride of Spain and now all but forgotten. The former remains an inconsistent enigma, while his left-sided compatriot has finally gotten over the worst of his injury worries. Both could find themselves on the move this summer. They're not young anymore, but still have a couple of good years to offer.

There is also the rising star of the season, who has by and large been enshrouded by cloud after cloud of catastrophe, in Juan Manuel Mata. The versatile Real Madrid youth product was snapped up by Valencia and has come into his own, more or less serving as Los Che's second most decisive forward of the season. He has scored and provided goals in equal measure and could easily end up at a Spanish rival, or even in England.

The Portuguese pairing of Manuel Fernandes and Miguel are also likely to attract interest. Fernandes in particular, with many years ahead of him and substantial Premier League experience already under his belt with Everton, is almost certain to return to the world's most lucrative league this summer.

Any kind of substantial recognition is otherwise sparse when concerning the remaining players at the club. Warhorses such as Ruben Baraja, David Albelda, Miguel Angulo and Carlos Marchena are likely to follow the club right the way down to the ground. Because that's where they're heading, and what a shameful moment it will be for Spanish football.

Sulmaan Ahmad, Goal.com

[Pinturicchio]

Angebich wird heute in Turin über David Silva verhandelt.

[uhr_werk]

fliege im mai eine woche nach spanien, nähe alicante (ca. 2 autostunden von valencia entfernt).

hab das glück dass in dieser zeit valencia zuhause gegen real madrid spielt, für mich ist das spiel leider noch nicht ganz fixiert, da ich erst mitte nächster woche erfahre, wieviel die karten kosten und ob es überhaupt noch welche gibt.

ersatzprogramm wäre spanische 2. liga, fc alicante vs. real sociedad.

habt ihr irgendwelche tipps bezüglich valencia bzw. mestalla stadion? (parken, essen, shoppen,...)

danke im vorraus.

[Martin Laursen]

Unglaublich! Hier wird ja wirklich nur über Real und Barca gepostet....

Von daher meine ich gehört auch für die Ches ein Thread her!

Albiol ist ja jetzt Vergangenheit aber Llorente bekräftigte ein paar Mal, Villa und Silva sollen bleiben (erst am 31. August sind wir schlauer)

Matthieu der LV von Toulouse ist gekommen, ich finde eine sinnvolle Verstärkung.

Somit könnte Alexis zb in die IV rücken, Miguel bleibt RV und Baraja zb kann weiter IV spielen oder Maduro.

Ich finde Valencia hat nach wie vor einen sehr guten Kader, es kehrt Zigic zurück, Pablo Hernandez im rechten Mittelfeld tut sich sehr gut und der junge Mata im Sturm wird auch noch viel besser werden.