Juventus News Thread

[Pinturicchio]

http://www.football-italia.net/jun8i.html

Juventus wird von 19. Juli bis 1. August in den den USA (Philadelphia) trainieren, und dabei 3 Freundschaftsspiel bestreiten, eines gegen Club America (Mexiko) ist fix am 26. Juli.

Trainingsbeginn ist am 15 oder 16 Juli 2011 in Susa.

[DUX]

conte will laut aussage die zm's in dem sinn nicht ins spiel bringen. es hieß ja, dass es theoretisch sein könnte, dass der zm nie den ball bekommt. diese sollen fast ausschließlich für die hinterarbeit dienen.

bei ballbesitz geht der ballvom torhüter an die außenverteitiger, diese sollen dann zu den stürmern passen (wo ich jetzt unsere LOM und ROM mit einschließe). der zm soll im offensiv-spiel quasi gar nicht involviert werden.

ob das jetzt ne gute oder schlechte idee ist sei mal hingestellt. ich persönlich fände es auch schön, wenn wir einen im zm haben, der auch bälle gut verteilen kann. zudem widerspricht sich contes aussagen mit dem transfer von pirlo, der ja eher die stärken in der offensive hat, als ballverteiler

zitat eines users.

was bitte????das is ja völlig surreal schon

[MILANISTA]

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/06/13/2528839/theyve-bailed-out-fiat-spent-450m-on-english-cricket-are

[DUX]

moggi mal wieder lebenslang gesperrt worden von der figc.

schon lustig...in 6 stunden schafft man es moggi zu verurteilen, grund dafür das ergebnis von 2006 wo er als schuldiger gilt.man konnte zwar sämtliche " beweise " widerlegen ,jetzt in neapel, aber das scheint der figc egal zu sein.mit der aussage: “The fact others may have behaved in similar fashion, which still has to be proved, does not take away from the gravity of his ban." achso....also es muss also doch noch herausgefunden werden, ob es stimmt?

okay, seis drum. seit einem jahr hat die figc das schreiben agnellis in der hand in dem gefragt wird ob-auf grund des neues prozesses in neapel und der beweise, dass nichts aber auch gar nichts so gewesen ist, wie von den juve gegnern behauptet, die titel zurückgegeben werden.ein ajhr lang keine antwort.

in 2 wochen konnte man juve damals hinrichten, aber in einem jahr bei neuen fakten, gibt es keine regung seitens der figc.und jetzt banned man moggi, auf grund der beweise von 2006 die 2010/2011 in neapel widerlegt werden konnten , weil man sagt die beweise von damals waren so stichhaltig, dass selbst bei neuen beweisen , die moggi entlasten würden, es keine änderung des urteils gibt.

bravo italien, ganz großes kino.eine rechtsprechung die ihresgleichen sucht.wofür hat die figc dann selber den fall nue aufgerollt?damit sie am schluss sagen könnten, ja wir sind zum schluss gekommen, dass eh alles rechtskräftig, demnach richtig ist.juve und moggi sind das sportlich böse.

gott seidank, ist der prozess in neapel noch nicht ferti, nachdem man ja die richterin absägen wollte, weil man schiss hat sie würde ein urteil für moggi aussprechen, kommt man jetzt also noch schnell mit der forderung von damals, moggi endlich zu verbannen.und die figc macht schnell mit.

sie können moggi zu 1000 jahren verbannen, wenn cassoria , und das wird sie moggi freispricht...kann die figc machen was sie will.dann wird moggi zumindest zum allumfassenden gegenschlag ausholen, die sportliche justiz ist dann mit ihrem latein am ende.und es geht gar nicht anders, außer die beiden scudetti zurückzugeben...aber so wird der schneeball größer und immer größer...nur diesesmal nicht für moggi.

ich bin gespannt wie das ausgeht, es sollte nur dem ein oder anderen klar werden, dass die figc gar nicht darauf aus ist, juve irgendwie wieder gut dastehen zu lassen.

[Delarge]

dass selbst bei neuen beweisen , die moggi entlasten würden, es keine änderung des urteils gibt.

Also wenn ich alles richtig mitgekriegt hab (hab mich mit den neuen Ergebnissen nicht mehr wirklich beschäftigt) gibt's keine neuen Beweise, die Moggi entlasten, sondern nur neue Beweise, die angeblich zeigen, dass andere genau dasselbe gemacht haben. Oder lieg ich da falsch?

bearbeitet 16. Juni 2011 von Delarge

[DUX]

ich denke,das bedeutet ja das gleiche.wenn alle dasselbe getan haben, sind alle entweder schuldig, oder unschuldig.komme wie es wolle, es müssten daher entweder alle teams bestraft werden, genauso drakonisch, oder juve bekommt schadensersatz.

aber hier ein wirklich guter artikel von goal, eh interessant, jetzt nach all den jahren scheint es sogar journalisten zu bunt zu werden.unbedingt lesen, ist immerwieder interessant.

Revealed: The evidence that shows Luciano Moggi is the victim of a witch-hunt in yet another example of the farce that is Calciopoli

The ex-Juventus general manager finally got what he deserved...so the uninformed say. Goal.com unveils the shady truths behind the Calciopoli scandal that led to this decision

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INVESTIGATION

By Carlo Garganese

On June 15, 2011 the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) announced that former Juventus directors Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo would be banned for life from any football-related roles in Italy. Within cyber seconds the hysterical frenzy of online websites, blogs, forums and fan pages registered huge increases of confused and ill-informed posts from followers who have yet to truly understand what really happened and what it means.

This is not a new decision based on a new proceeding, nor is it the confirmation of previous charges. To fully comprehend the current situation and dispel many of the misconceptions, it is necessary to take a step back and do a little Calciopoli review.

In the summer of 2006, after three weeks in a sporting tribunal, it was determined that Moggi and Giraudo would be suspended for five years with an option to extend the ban to life at any point within these five years.

The sentence itself was attached with an explanation that can still be downloaded from the FIGC website in their archive section. It stated perfectly clearly that no Article 6 violations (match-fixing/attempted match-fixing breaks the sixth article of the sporting code) were found within the intercepted calls and the season was fair and legitimate, but that the ex-Juventus directors nonetheless demonstrated they could potentially benefit from their exclusive relationship with referee designators Gianluigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo. There were, however, no requests for specific referees, no demands for favours and no conversations between Juventus directors and referees themselves.

It is important to stress at this point that so ignorant are many sections of the world media that 'Moggiopoli' is still referred to by so-called journalists as a "match-fixing scandal" when even the original sentence ruled that Moggi neither fixed nor attempted to fix games.

In the wake of this sentence, two other accusations surfaced against Moggi. It was alleged that the Siena-native controlled the GEA player agency (a consortium of football agents and managers) and could therefore dictate who played where, and that he also maintained a secret web of communication for him and his cohorts utilising foreign SIM cards.

Juventus’ chief attorney Cesare Zaccone prepared an appeal for the civil courts, but the club was pressured into retracting it by Fifa and Uefa as it would have impeded continental play. Thus the team were relegated.

Moggi | Handed a lifetime ban this week despite a string of civil trial victories

In an unrelated charge, Moggi was handed a one-year suspended sentence for the transfers of two players (Manuele Blasi and Viktor Boudianski) by threatening to leave them rotting on the bench if they didn't accept sales terms. Blasi has since confessed that he was not influenced to do anything against his will and Moggi is appealing the verdict.

In the five years that have proceeded since the sporting tribunal, Moggi has gone through four separate civil trials concerning Calciopoli, the three thus far concluded having all resulted in Moggi victories – dismantling the allegations of a secret web of communication utilising foreign SIM cards, player agency control, and accounting fraud.

The most significant trial is still ongoing in Naples, dealing with Association for Sporting Delinquency. Both Moggi and Giraudo possessed the option to defend themselves or accept a direct verdict that would not allow for the introduction of new evidence. Giraudo opted for the direct verdict and was slapped with a three-year sentence based on evidence from 2006. Dumbfounded, he immediately launched an appeal in which new evidence will be utilised. Moggi instead chose to defend himself and just over a year ago made a significant breakthrough.

The prior trials discredited claims (still bandied about by those who have done no research into Calciopoli) such as:

* Locking referees in dressing rooms

* Controlling referee selection processes

* Influencing referees

* Bribery

* Lavish gift-offerings

* Player agency control

* Accounting fraud

* Undetectable web of communication

* Direct referee contact

* Match fixing

* Attempted match fixing

* And many more

What remained was the sporting tribunal's theory that Moggi and Giraudo enjoyed a near-exclusive rapport with referee designators Bergamo and Pairetto. Despite this not leading to an actual advantage, it was nevertheless a dangerous and unsportsmanlike circumstance, one that the FIGC used to relegate Juventus and ban the former directors for five years with an option to extend the suspensions for life. Chief prosecutor Giuseppe Narducci was quoted in court as saying: “Like it or not, no other calls exist between the designators and other directors.”

None did, until a year ago.

In a series of consistent courtroom releases, Luciano Moggi’s defence team unravelled not tens, not hundreds, but thousands upon thousands of calls between the referee designators and the directors and/or coaches of every team in Serie A and beyond, including Inter. All during the same “incriminated” period that saw Juventus punished. The code of conduct in 2006 did not oppose dialogue between designators and directors; in fact the league officials encouraged it in order to maintain good relations between teams and the AIA (Italian Referee Association).

The calls themselves, as a result, were not always incriminating but their mere existence meant that the theory of Juventus’ “exclusivity” could no longer hold. Up until that point nothing directly incriminating had ever been heard by any director. The new calls that Moggi’s lawyers released, however, were full of other directors making referee requests, direct referee contact, proposals for secret meetings between referees and directors in closed restaurants and banks, and so on.

This was important for two reasons. The only remaining argument (exclusive rapport with designators) in defence of the sporting tribunal’s decisions of 2006 was dismantled and for the first time credibility shifted in favour of those who had claimed that Moggi, Giraudo and Juventus had been the victims of a witch-hunt.

If all these calls were recorded together...why then did only Juventus-related calls (and few others) wind up in the sporting tribunal? Why were the calls of so many other teams hidden for five years?

Out of a courtroom in Milan in late October of 2010, in an industrial espionage case against Telecom Italia, even further credibility to the notion of the witch-hunt was provided by none other than Marco Tronchetti Provera (Pirelli president, Inter director, former Telecom-TIM Italia director), who confirmed the statements delivered by Caterina Plateo (former Telecom employee) in her testimony that the company was spying on members of the football realm on behalf of Inter.

These revelations were brought to the ongoing Naples trial against Luciano Moggi, and when Calciopoli’s chief investigator Col. Attilio Auricchio was cross-examined by Moggi’s lawyer it was revealed that he had in fact tampered with evidence prior to handing it over to the sporting tribunal in 2006. He did this by pulling out the thousands upon thousands of calls made by directors and coaches to referee designators that would have shown no one had an exclusive relationship.

Moggi's lifetime ban calls into question yet again the integrity of Italy's football federation that has no qualms about making hasty decisions based on discredited & manipulated evidence

- Carlo Garganese

This brings us to Moggi's recent lifetime ban decision, what it means and why it is possible.

With the Naples trial set to conclude very shortly, serious questions were directed at the FIGC as to whether it would be beneficial to wait for this trial’s conclusion in Naples before rendering their own decision. The FIGC responded with haste on June 6, 2011, stating that their judgment needed to be made immediately and that it would not be taking into consideration ANY of the revelations made in the civil trials succeeding the sporting tribunal of 2006. In other words, the decision to extend Giraudo and Moggi’s five-year bans to lifetime bans was determined based on evidence that had been discredited and admittedly tampered with.

The reason this was possible was because the option to extend the suspension did not require a retrial. No one could force the FIGC to pour over five years of civil court revelations, and thus with one stroke of a pen five-year bans became lifetime bans. Moggi has claimed that he is taking his appeal to the Italian Olympic Committee (Coni) whose board members have already expressed interest in revisiting the entire Calciopoli case.

What does this mean to fans of Serie A?

Virtually nothing, to be brutally honest. One must consider that at the tender age of 74 it is unlikely that Luciano Moggi is looking to re-launch his career and even if he were it would not be at Juventus given his bitter rivalry with current Fiat kingpins John Elkann and Luca Cordero di Motezemolo. Were Moggi to succeed in higher courts the likelihood of a football return or a Juventus return stretches one’s imagination to Alice in Wonderland proportions.

What this has done, though, is call into question yet again the integrity of Italy’s football federation that apparently has no qualms about making hasty decisions based on discredited and manipulated evidence. One should also probe the federation’s sudden urgency to conclude a case a month early when so many other FIGC proceedings are still pending action or have simply fizzled away.

Genoa president Enrico Preziosi’s five-year suspension could also have been increased to a lifetime ban after his confessed fixing of the 2003-04 Serie B season, yet it died on a vine. Why could this be? His subsequent sales of Diego Milito and Thiago Motta to Inter while serving his suspension (rendering them illegal) is also still “under review” despite the dates and ink on their contracts being well documented. Surely these behavioural fluctuations are not passing unnoticed by the public?

The damage seen today is more self-inflicted than initially thought. Considering that this recent decision arrives in the wake of an Italian football betting scandal, casting yet another cloud over the FIGC's ability to keep its product clean, the federation may well have missed an opportunity to clear its own name…let alone Luciano’s.

[Pinturicchio]

http://www.juventus.com/wps/portal/it/news/diritti%20di%20opzione%2022giugno2011/!ut/p/b1/tY_RboJAEEW_xR9gZndxgccFFalkW3AR2RdCqzVIgUZJFb6-atNH3to7ySQ3uZkzFzRknE2ZTSiZwhZ0U3yVh6Ir26b4uHvNc8qFE698gvY68jDgtsBEecQ2LUghc29LP3I4IoGQ3QJWThF9xyUCfRa6GCSrxTJ0LfJsUlCwRTNfH_vPYKiG-DhEV4ktVVj19xOqYqlUPpNyI7uZ6MmcSJXU1_MsYhIr0kn1stvEiSuEc2p2h1_gyOch_y_gWEPy58An0OVrbVzeaqPsjGZ_OUPqgVy29R5qfeLv8mdMMZl8A5udSL0!/dl4/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/

• Alessandro Matri dal Cagliari Calcio S.p.A. per € 15,5 milioni, pagabili in tre esercizi. Il contratto con il calciatore ha durata quadriennale;

• Fabio Quagliarella dalla S.S.C. Napoli S.p.A. per € 10,5 milioni, pagabili in tre esercizi. Il contratto con il calciatore ha durata triennale;

• Simone Pepe dall’Udinese Calcio S.p.A. per € 7,5 milioni, pagabili in tre esercizi. Il contratto con il calciatore ha durata quadriennale;

• Marco Motta dall’Udinese Calcio S.p.A. per € 3,75 milioni, pagabili in tre esercizi. Il contratto con il calciatore ha durata quadriennale.

37,25 Mio. für Matri, Quagliarella, Pepe und Motta.

Jetzt stellt sich die Frage, darf man nun Pepe und Motta im Sommer verkaufen?

[Delarge]

Jetzt stellt sich die Frage, darf man nun Pepe und Motta im Sommer verkaufen?

Meinst von den Regeln her? Natürlich, die Transfers fallen nicht in die Sommertransferperiode 2011, der Transfer wird bei ziehen der Kaufoption mit 30.06.2011 datiert (oder fällt gleich in eine der vorherigen Transferperioden, bin mir da nicht sicher). Udinese hat die zweiten 50% von Motta ja auch kurz vor der Sommertransferperiode 2010 gekauft (genauso wie Juve jetzt) und kurze Zeit später ging Motta zu Juve.

[Pinturicchio]

Ja, ich bilde mir auch ein, das man diese 4 jetzt nicht nur verleihen, sondern auch verkaufen kann. Es gab ja schon Gerüchte, das Pepe eventuell nach Russland zu Spalletti wechseln könnte, und das man Motta in ein Tauschgeschäft mit einbauen möchte.

[flootschi]

Stimmt das gerücht dass Raul Meireles zur alten dame wechselt ??

[Pinturicchio]

Stimmt das gerücht dass Raul Meireles zur alten dame wechselt ??

http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/calciomercato/2011/06/24-131821/%C2%ABJuve-Liverpool%2C+contatto+per+Raul+Meireles%C2%BB

Ich hoffe, kann es mir aber leider eher nicht vorstellen, Mereiles gefällt mir sehr gut, und könnte es mMn weiterhelfen.

[flootschi]

http://www.tuttosport.com/calcio/calciomercato/2011/06/24-131821/%C2%ABJuve-Liverpool%2C+contatto+per+Raul+Meireles%C2%BB

Ich hoffe, kann es mir aber leider eher nicht vorstellen, Mereiles gefällt mir sehr gut, und könnte es mMn weiterhelfen.

also eine Zeitungs erfindung!?!

[Pinturicchio]

http://www.football-italia.net/jul1g.html

Beppe Marotta has revealed Juventus’ transfer plans for this summer – where he admitted interest in Sergio Aguero, Mirko Vucinic and Arturo Vidal.<BR itxtNodeId="238"><BR itxtNodeId="237">In an interview with Tuttosport, the director confirmed the club’s intention to spend very big on one player before the new campaign starts.<BR itxtNodeId="236"><BR itxtNodeId="235">“We want to spend wisely,” noted the transfer official. “We have clear ideas and it’s now just a matter of timing.<BR itxtNodeId="234"><BR itxtNodeId="233">“We are ready to spend a large part of our budget on one player, even if other factors then have to be taken into consideration – like salaries.<BR itxtNodeId="232"><BR itxtNodeId="231">“Aguero, for example, benefits from tax breaks in Spain with Atletico Madrid that he wouldn’t get in Italy. <BR itxtNodeId="230"><BR itxtNodeId="229">“If someone poaches Aguero from us then it will only be because of an economical offer that we are in no position to match.”<BR itxtNodeId="228"><BR itxtNodeId="227">The Argentine is the club’s primary transfer target, but he’s not alone.<BR itxtNodeId="226"><BR itxtNodeId="225">“Alexis Sanchez would fit in well with the football of Coach Antonio Conte, as Aguero would,” the former Sampdoria man added. “The others a little less.<BR itxtNodeId="224"><BR itxtNodeId="223">“Vucinic is someone we like and his arrival wouldn’t block that of a top player. However, we haven’t spoken to Roma yet – we have to trim our squad first.”<BR itxtNodeId="222"><BR itxtNodeId="221">Udinese’s Sanchez looks set to join Barcelona though, while reports today claim that Chelsea could hijack Juve’s move for Aguero.<BR itxtNodeId="220"><BR itxtNodeId="219">“We have to admit that we did think about Edinson Cavani of Napoli, but we never considered an offer as we knew they’d ask for €50m,” Marotta added.<BR itxtNodeId="218"><BR itxtNodeId="217">“Javier Pastore of Palermo is not suitable for Conte’s football.”<BR itxtNodeId="216"><BR itxtNodeId="215">Turning to the midfield, Juve are taking an interest in Lassana Diarra of Real Madrid and Bayer Levekusen’s Vidal.<BR itxtNodeId="214"><BR itxtNodeId="213">“They are both equally close to joining Juve,” Marotta continued. “But joining us would be an objective for Vidal and he’ll be hungrier for success than Diarra.<BR itxtNodeId="212"><BR itxtNodeId="211">“We have quite a few midfielders already though and perhaps something will happen before pre-season begins.<BR itxtNodeId="210"><BR itxtNodeId="209">“We hope to sell a few players before next Thursday, but it won’t be possible to find new clubs for all by then.”<BR itxtNodeId="208"><BR itxtNodeId="207">Could Claudio Marchisio be sold? “His future was a point of analysis. We want to keep him, but things can change quickly in football.”

Wieso will man bis nächsten Donnerstag einige Spieler verkaufen, weil man dann den Agüero Transfer abschliesst, dann sollten auch die genannten 15 Tage um sein.

Hab derzeit irgendwie ein gutes Gefühl bezüglich Agüero, hoffe inständig das er kommt und einen neue Ära miteinleitet.

Vidal würde ich auch mit Handkuss nehmen, angeblich bieten wir 15 Mio. für ihn.

Einzig Vucinic würde ich nicht nachvollziehen können. Wir haben genug Stürmer, es wäre wichtiger einen richtigen Linksaussen zu holen, er hat keine gute Torquote, er ist viel, viel, viel zu teuer, Vucinic bitte bitte nicht.

Ansonsten erkenne ich bei Marotta eine leichte Sinneswandlung, im Gegensatz zu letzten Sommer, bzw. zum Winter. Wobei man da aber immer beachten muss, was er für finanzielle Mitteln zur Verfügung hatte, die momentan sicher höher ausfallen.

[basilese]

mehr fotos gibts hier:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=440815&page=107

bearbeitet 3. Juli 2011 von basilese

[acm1899]

mehr fotos gibts hier:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=440815&page=107

nur die italienische Bauweise lässt zu wünschen übrig. Das Fundament von der Stütze schaut nicht gerade gesund aus

tolles Stadion, endlich mal kein Graben zwischen Spielfeld und Tribüne!