Rugby

[Tintifax1972]

Schade. Je naeher Rio kommt desto wichtiger wird auch 7s fuer die Allblacks.

@WM-Quali: Deutschlang gewann gestern 17:7 in Holland und ist nicht mehr weit von der WM weg. Waere ein Lottosechser fuer den Sport hier. Demgemaess bin ich

Russland ist der PO-Gegner- eine harte Nuss.

[Tintifax1972]

Zwei Weltstars hören auf:

Sebastien Chabal, der "Höhlenmensch" war wahrscheinlich der bekannteste Spieler in Österreich. Wie kaum ein anderer verkörperte er in der gesamten Sportwelt das archaische in Männer-Großmannschaften.

Johnny Wilkinson war DER Spieler des letzten Jahrzehnts und hat das Rugby revolutioniert. Nicht immer zum Vorteil der Attraktivität- es war sehr ergebnisorientiert. Seine mentale Stärke, ein Spiel vom Kicking-Tee zu entscheiden, war aber fast schon sprichwörtlich- und er war die erste Nummer 10 die auch auf Weltklasseniveau tackeln konnte.

Am Samstag spielt Deutschland gegen Russland. Sollte Deutschland gewinnen (Chancen stehen aber eher schlecht), sind die Nachbarn zwar noch nicht bei der WM, die Chancen stünden dann aber wirklich sehr sehr gut. Wenn das eintritt, explodiert der Sport auch hier. Mark my words.

bearbeitet 23. Mai 2014 von Tintifax1972

[Mango]

Ist noch wer heute auf der Hohen Warte? Spiel um die Staatsmeisterschaft zwischen Donau und Innsbruck.

[Tintifax1972]

Ist noch wer heute auf der Hohen Warte? Spiel um die Staatsmeisterschaft zwischen Donau und Innsbruck.

Nein, heuer setz ich mal aus. Dafür hab ich jetzt auf Laola auf den stream umgeschalten, weil mich das WM-Spiel anödet:

http://www.laola1.tv/de-at/live/ru-donau-wien-rc-innsbruck/194047.html

[Tintifax1972]

Die letzten 20 Minuten waren zach, die Stunde davor eigentlich sensationell spannend. Innsbruck hat überraschend stark dagegen gehalten und 2 Minuten Unkonzentration (der Try nach mißglückten Penalty war ein Anfängerfehler) haben sie um die mögliche Sensation gebracht. Meister also zum 21. x in Serie Donau Wien.

[Mango]

Ja war super zum Anschauen. Bin ja wirklich nur Gelegenheitszuseher, aber ein guter Freund spielt eine ganz gute Rolle bei Donau, deswegen war ich dort. Hat mir aber gut gefallen, sehr nette Stimmung.

Schade, dass Rugby so wenig Aufmerksamkeit genießt, werd ab jetzt sicher öfter kommen!

bearbeitet 14. Juni 2014 von Mango

[#25]

Grad mein erstes Rugby (League) Spiel live gegeben. Heimteam nach 22-0 noch 22-24 verloren

Nachdem ich die Höhe der Punkte nicht wirklich einschätzen kann, wie wär denn so ein Spielverlauf im Fußball/Eishockey tore-mäßig?

[halbe südfront]

3-0

3-4

[Tintifax1972]

3-0

3-4

Jap so ungefähr kann man es sehen.

Übrigens gab es heute bei der 7s-ÖM ein unglaubliches Kuriosum: Nach 5 Spielen jeder gegen jeden waren zwei Mannschaften (Graz und Donau Wien) absolut gleich: Punkte, Score, erzielte Trys. Chance 1:100000 minimum. Da musste über eine nationale Meisterschaft im 7s ein Penalty-Shootout nach dem Turnier entscheiden (die Grazer waren schon tw. geduscht), das war wohl eine Weltpremiere.

Das Penalty-Shootout funktionierte ähnlich wie beim Fußball- und wie dort versagten die besten schützen jämmerlich. Graz gewann, meine eigene Mannschaft wurde übrigens Dritter worauf ich sehr stolz bin, weil wir ja im XV nur in der dritten Liga spielen bzw. spielten (wir stiegen auf).

[Tintifax1972]

Ganz schlimme Rugby-News:

Ein 17-jähriger stirbt bei einem Spiel

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11288749

Die Concussion-Debatte dürfte jetzt nach Eishockey und American-Football auch endgültig Rugby erreicht haben. Das lässt sich nicht mehr herunter spielen:

Rugby's concussion issue under the spotlight By Tom English BBC Scotland

While rugby spent the past week looking back on the glorious careers of two of its departing heroes, Jonny Wilkinson and Brian O'Driscoll, there was forensic analysis of a very different kind going on elsewhere close to the game.

Last Tuesday morning, at the Coroners Court in Dublin, it was found that a former amateur rugby player, whose family had donated his brain for research, had died prematurely because of repeated blows to the head on the field during his rugby years.

The coroner, Dr Brian Farrell, accepted evidence from two neuropathology experts, one of whom was Dr Willie Stewart, a consultant neuropathologist at Glasgow's Southern General Hospital and a world leader in the examination of head trauma of sport.

The findings were that Kenny Nuzum, a prop forward with the Lansdowne club in Dublin and a former team-mate of the legendary Moss Keane, passed away in March last year because of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE). In layman's terms, punch-drunk syndrome.

Nuzum died at the age of 57. His tragic story is recounted by Brendan Fanning in a powerful piece for Ireland's Sunday Independent.

In his day, a highly combative player with a history of on-field concussion, Nuzum's wellbeing noticeably deteriorated around 2006. He began to suffer acute memory loss, imbalance and disorientation. He was diagnosed as having progressive supranuclear palsy (PSP), a rare brain disease. He later contracted pneumonia and organ failure and died.

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The specialist explained that my brain was so traumatised, had swollen so big that even just getting a tap to the body would knock me out

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Shontayne Hape Retired England international

His family decided to donate his brain to the brain bank at Beaumont hospital in Dublin. Professor Michael Farrell, a neuropathologist with a background in rugby, examined Nuzum's brain. "At the back of my mind all the time was, 'Could it be CTE'?" he told the Sunday Independent.

"When I began to see the changes around the blood vessels then it dawned on me that this was not ordinary PSP."

Professor Farrell consulted with Dr Stewart, who also examined Nuzum's brain. "In my research I've seen a lot of cases of CTE but this was one of the most severely affected I have seen, particularly in such a young man," said Dr Stewart.

CTE shot to prominence in America when thousands of families of former NFL players joined together in a class action lawsuit against the league's governing body. The players had suffered repeated head trauma during their careers. Many died having experienced severe CTE.

The families sued successfully and were awarded more than $700m in damages because of the negligence of the NFL in failing to alert them to the dangers of repeated head knocks.

Experts such as Dr Stewart have warned in recent years that rugby could have a major problem on its hands with CTE. The disease is, at the moment, only detectable in autopsy. Earlier this year, the brain of an Australian player, Barry "Tizza" Taylor, was examined on death and he was found to have CTE. The link has now been established further through the Nuzum case.

Concussion has become a major talking point in the game as awareness grows that it's not just boxers or American footballers or ice hockey players whose life after sport can be destroyed because of injuries sustained, and largely ignored, during their active years. Many experts have called it a ticking bomb in rugby. Dr Barry O'Driscoll, uncle of Brian and a leading voice on concussion in rugby, has said the sport's attitude to head trauma is akin to Russian Roulette.

O'Driscoll resigned his position on the International Rugby Board in protest at their concussion protocols.

In recent times, numerous rugby players have spoken out about their own experiences of concussion and how it is the greatest crisis facing the sport. Among others, Rory Lamont of Scotland, Lewis Moody of England and Bernard Jackman of Ireland have all recounted harrowing tales. Alex Corbisiero, the England prop, recently said that he didn't know one professional rugby player who had not suffered a concussion and a sub-concussive blow. He also called the IRB's concussion tests "laughable".

The most shocking testimony came on Saturday from Shontayne Hape in a column he wrote in the New Zealand Herald.

Hape played rugby league for Bradford and New Zealand. He then switched codes and played union for Bath, London Irish and, latterly, Montpellier while also winning 13 caps for England. In January, at the age of 33, he retired after suffering at least 20 concussions and black-outs. He'd read about a young player in Auckland who died after suffering a head knock in a game and decided enough was enough.

His story ought to send shockwaves throughout rugby. "DJ-ing is my hobby," he wrote. "But the effects of the concussion meant I couldn't bear to listen to music. The sound was too much. Sunlight was a problem too. I had to stay in a blacked-out room for days. I'd bike to training and by the time I'd get there my head would be throbbing and I'd have to go home to rest.

"My tolerance for my three young kids was zero. I was always angry around them, couldn't even last a minute without getting cross and losing my cool."

Shontayne Hape retired in January after suffering multiple concussions

He'd experienced concussion for years but the end came when he went to play for Montpellier. He got concussed in his fifth game for the club but, keen to justify his big salary, he declared himself fit to play again the following week and got concussed again.

"It was just slight tap but it got me in the wrong place," he said. "This time I was really worried. They rested me for a week. That's the French rest. Normally you'd have two-four weeks of doing nothing. In France it was 'okay we'll rest you for a week and you'll be fine'.

"There was constant pressure from the coaches. Most coaches don't care about what happens later on in your life. It is about the here and now. Everyone wants success. They just think 'if we pay you this you are going to do this'.

"Players are just pieces of meat. When the meat gets too old and past its use-by date, the club just buys some more. You get meat that's bruised or damaged, the club goes and buys some more."

He had constant migraines and memory loss. At the hospital in Montpellier they gave him tests for memory and vision.

"They show me seven or eight pictures of, say, a tree, couch, bird or a bike," he explained. "When they turned the page and asked me what I'd just seen I could only remember one or two things. The specialist showed me on chart the average score for someone with a normal brain. My score was just above someone with learning difficulties.

"The specialist explained that my brain was so traumatised, had swollen so big that even just getting a tap to the body would knock me out."

He says he worries about Alzheimer's and dementia, adding: "The doctors can't tell me what is going to happen to me in 10 years' time. Research has shown that's when it catches up with you.

"I'm not telling my story because I want sympathy. I'm telling it because this is an issue people, particularly young players, need to know about. More people need to speak out about it, tell the truth if they are suffering. Most players won't, though, for fear of being thought of as soft or because of the financial pressures."

Since the piece appeared on Saturday all manner of rugby people have tweeted their support and admiration for Hape for having the bravery to tell his story so honestly. Sir Clive Woodward, Rory Lawson, Dylan Hartley, Toby Flood, Danny Care, Nick Easter and others have taken to Twitter to raise awareness of Hape's words.

But is the game listening? Too often the IRB is defensive when these issues are raised.

Last Thursday on BBC Scotland there was a debate about the dangers of concussion in rugby. Lamont was part of the programme. So, too, Dr Stewart and Barry O'Driscoll. The IRB was also asked to give an interview. It declined.

[Kante]

Ich schau gerade im TV ENG-AUS bei den commonwealth-games in Glasgow. Als unwissender Laie die Frage: Wie sind denn die Kader der Teams bei diesem Turnier zu bewerten?

[Tintifax1972]

Ich schau gerade im TV ENG-AUS bei den commonwealth-games in Glasgow. Als unwissender Laie die Frage: Wie sind denn die Kader der Teams bei diesem Turnier zu bewerten?

An sich beide als Medaillenkandidaten. Darüber ist Neuseeland. Wales ist im 7s nicht so stark wie im XV - haben heute auch gegen Samoa verloren. Südafrika hat Kenia (im 7s stark) geschlagen- die "Blitzbokke" sind damit auch zu den Medaillenkandidaten zu zählen.

Von den extrem starken 7s-Nationen fehlen bei den CG Fidschi und mit ein bissi Fantasie auch die USA. Sonst sind die versammelt, die auch in Rio um Medaillen kämpfen werden.

[Kante]

Wie schauts zb mit Irland aus?

[Tintifax1972]

Wie schauts zb mit Irland aus?

Um Medaillen werden sie eher nicht mitspielen. Wobei man da schon vorsichtig sein muss, in zwei Jahren kann viel passieren und es gibt ja jetzt bereits Anzeichen, dass der eine oder andere XV-Star in Rio auflaufen wird. Bryan Habana zB ist ja bei den Blitzbokke dabei- hat er mWn schon ewig nicht mehr gemacht.

Hier eine Vorschau (klarerweise nicht mehr ganz aktuell): http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3829_9392760,00.html

[Tintifax1972]

Die "Blitzboke" haben Neuseeland eine historische 17:12-Niederlage zugefügt und damit die CG gewonnen. Erstmals hieß der Sieger daher nicht Neuseeland.

Das ist durchaus als Ansage für Rio zu verstehen. Südafrika nimmt das sehr ernst und will dort Gold holen. Das wird ein sehr spannendes Turnier mit Rugby im ORF. Freu mich schon sehr darauf.