Manchester United FC

[Danilo Kunhar]

Zwegn Mythos Fergie-Time warads:

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United hat die zweitwenigste Nachspielzeit bekommen, nur bei Bolton war es noch weniger.

da gibt es aber auch ganz andere nennen wir es "Mythen"

1. Mike Dean - referee, when Blackburn beat Manchester United 3-2 and hasn't refereed a Manchester United game since.

2. Mike Dean, in 2010, after Manchester United's defeat to Chelsea, was demoted to the Championship.

3. Alan Wiley, called "fat and unfit" by Ferguson after Manchester United's draw with Sunderland," agreed to retire" that season, he was also the ref on OT when United lost 1-4 to Liverpool.

4. Mark Clattenburg refereed Manchester United's 6-1 defeat to Manchester City, hasn't refereed a single Manchester United game after that Manchester derby. (has acted as 4th official in 3)

5. Martin Atkinson -Involved in Manchester United's defeat to Chelsea, criticized by Alex, hasn't refereed Manchester United game since.

6. Ex referee Jeff Winter openly stating that he hadn't been given a Manchester United game for 2 years after sending Roy Keane off.

7. Howard Webb has been Manchester United's most used referee since the defeat to Manchester City.

8. More than 18% of the penalties Webb has awarded in his 8 year career have been to Manchester United.

9. Manchester United's CEO is on the board of The FA.

10. Alex Ferguson not happy with Chris Foy, Foy referees a League Two game. something he hasn't done since the 2001-02 season.

bin ja kein Verschwörungstheoretiker, aber wenn ich so eine Statistik sehe und das irgendetwas über pro Schiri Entscheidungen gegenüber United dementieren soll, na dann Prost Mahlzeit

(übrigens, so eine Statistik ist natürlich nicht aussagekräftig, aussagekräftig wäre die Statistik an welchem Rang United sein würde wenn sie knapp am Ausgleich oder Siegestreffer dran sind, wenn dann noch Vorletzter, dann ist es ok )

[farQuhared]

Anfangen mit "bin ja kein Verschwörungstheroteiker,aber..." und die lächerlichsten Theorien (denn willkürlich irgendwelche Fehlentscheidungen, die für uns ausgefallen sind) zu quoten zählt für mich dazu. Wo sind die Fehlentscheidungen von Mike Dean (das Spiel gegen Chelsea war nur das i-Tüpfelchen) und Martin Atkinson, die uns etliche Punkte gekostet haben?

Wir werden immer die Schiedsrichter kaufen (Howard Webb steht ja bereits seit Ewigkeiten auf unserer Gehaltsliste - übrigens unser nächster "Unparteiischer" gg. Toon...YIPPIEH) und die Nachspielzeit bestimmen. Außerdem sind wir für 9/11, das Mohammed Video und die Wirtschaftskrise verantwortlich. FINDET EUCH DAMIT AB!

We'll do what we want!

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[mufc]

da gibt es aber auch ganz andere nennen wir es "Mythen"

bin ja kein Verschwörungstheoretiker, aber wenn ich so eine Statistik sehe und das irgendetwas über pro Schiri Entscheidungen gegenüber United dementieren soll, na dann Prost Mahlzeit

(übrigens, so eine Statistik ist natürlich nicht aussagekräftig, aussagekräftig wäre die Statistik an welchem Rang United sein würde wenn sie knapp am Ausgleich oder Siegestreffer dran sind, wenn dann noch Vorletzter, dann ist es ok )

noch nie davon gehört, dass man einen schiedsrichter beim verband ablehnen kann, du lustiger?

[Jordi]

Zwegn Mythos Fergie-Time warads:

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United hat die zweitwenigste Nachspielzeit bekommen, nur bei Bolton war es noch weniger.

Seids ja gegen die meisten Teams vorne, da pfeiffens ja immer schnell ab

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[bwh05]

der TIA ist schon ein bisserl ein nerviger zeitgenosse. nicht genug zu tun in der arbeit?

[Starostyak]

Könnt ma den RAWK-Kasperl bitte ignorieren, es wird ein bissl fad...

[Kingkooli]

Könnt ma den RAWK-Kasperl bitte ignorieren, es wird ein bissl fad...

Ich hätt schon gerne noch ein bisschen mehr von ihm. Zwecks Lesegaudi usw. Außerdem muss man jetzt gar nimma in den Rawk-Meltdown Thread schaun, wenn man lachen mag.

Btw: So ein unsympathischer Holländer da vorne drin hat schon was. Mit seinen gar nicht so unsympathischen Interviews sollt er aber aufhören, sonst mag ich ihn am Ende noch. So ein Evra als Fullback allerdings immer weniger. Vor allem wenn ein Zigeuner schon bewiesen hat, dass er durchaus was anzubieten hat. Anderson sollt übrigens ein bisschen weniger Nahrung zu sich nehmen.

[bwh05]

Btw: So ein unsympathischer Holländer da vorne drin hat schon was. Mit seinen gar nicht so unsympathischen Interviews sollt er aber aufhören, sonst mag ich ihn am Ende noch.

same here.

[Maulinho]

nicht dass das Thema nicht idiotisch und langweilig wäre, aber wenn es Rory Smith (Times, Ghostwriter von Rafa Benitez' neuem Buch "Champions League Dreams) schon jetzt grad auf Twitter postet:

"Spent the afternoon analysing refereeing performances against United since 2004. Conclusion? If there's a conspiracy, it's hardly Roswell."

[robocop_de_hiro]

LoL - dann schau ma uns das mal genauer an:

1. Mike Dean - referee, when Blackburn beat Manchester United 3-2 and hasn't refereed a Manchester United game since.

--> Falsch. Soton-United hat er gepfiffen

2. Mike Dean, in 2010, after Manchester United's defeat to Chelsea, was demoted to the Championship.

--> hat ein klares Abseitstor von Drogba gegeben - das wohl vorentscheidend im Titelrennen war. Schon mal davon gehört dass schlechte Leistungen bestraft werden?

3. Alan Wiley, called "fat and unfit" by Ferguson after Manchester United's draw with Sunderland," agreed to retire" that season, he was also the ref on OT when United lost 1-4 to Liverpool.

--> SAF musste 2 Spiele auf die Tribüne (dazu noch 2 Spiele falls er noch was gesagt hätte) für die Aussage, außerdem hat er sich entschuldigt. Außerdem ist Wiley, genauso wie Bennett, in der Saison zurückgetreten um ein Full-Time-Coach für Schiedsrichter zu werden.

4. Mark Clattenburg refereed Manchester United's 6-1 defeat to Manchester City, hasn't refereed a single Manchester United game after that Manchester derby. (has acted as 4th official in 3)

Stimmt. Aber ich glaube kaum, dass SAF nach diesem Spiel dem Schiedsrichter auch nur irgendeine Schuld gegeben hat ... bzw. weiß man das!

5. Martin Atkinson -Involved in Manchester United's defeat to Chelsea, criticized by Alex, hasn't refereed Manchester United game since.

--> weiß nicht wann das gewesen sein soll. Jedenfalls hat er letzte Saison das 1-3 gegen die Spurs gepfiffen.

6. Ex referee Jeff Winter openly stating that he hadn't been given a Manchester United game for 2 years after sending Roy Keane off.

--> 26. Oktober 1996! Vl finden wir etwas das noch weiter zurückliegt ... damals war noch ein gewisser Roy Evans Coach in Liverpool ...

7. Howard Webb has been Manchester United's most used referee since the defeat to Manchester City.

--> muss ja irgendwer sein?!? Wtf??

8. More than 18% of the penalties Webb has awarded in his 8 year career have been to Manchester United.

9. Manchester United's CEO is on the board of The FA.

--> Gill wurde von den anderen PL-CEOs ganz normal gewählt. Davor war David Dein von Arsenal im Vorstand.

10. Alex Ferguson not happy with Chris Foy, Foy referees a League Two game. something he hasn't done since the 2001-02 season.

--> also die letzte League Two Partie, dich ich von Foy gefunden habe war in der Saison 2007/08. Und noch dazu hat er in der Saison nur United-Siege gepfiffen ... versteh ich also überhaupt nicht den Punkt?!?

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[Athavar]

bin ja kein Verschwörungstheoretiker, aber

[bwh05]

Also der tia hat entweder echt kein leben, oder einen job, bei dem er für solche analysen bezahlt wird. The latter being quite unlikely.

[Kingkooli]

Rafael wurde übrigens zum Spieler des Monats gewählt. Well deserved - spielt bisher wirklich absolut überzeugend und wird seinen Stammplatz nicht mehr so schnell abgeben, sollte seine Entwicklung weiterhin so verlaufen.

Am Sonntag wartet das extrem unangenehmen Auswärtsspiel in Newcastle. Aber nichts was Giggs und Scholes nicht richten könnten.

[themanwho]

Be silent, conspiracy theorists: United have no power over the refereeing calendar

The conspiracy theorists are out in force this week. Chris Foy, after refusing to give Manchester United a penalty at Old Trafford last weekend, finds himself in npower League Two for the Accrington Stanley v Rochdale match.

That'll teach him for crossing Alex Ferguson. Except...

The reality is different. The evil empire of the Govan gang boss has not struck again. As much as we'd all love to imagine Ferguson as leader of the lizard people, manipulating world events from a cave below Carrington, it's just not right.

The selection of referees is decided six weeks in advance and takes in many factors. It's affected by international matches, Uefa's competitions, domestic cups. Sometimes it needs to be shuffled about at the last minute because of injuries. Foy was given this game back in August.

Ah, but the statistics scream out that this is a lie, you say. Well let's look at some stats.

Every referee does between five and ten Football League matches in a season. Only the three elite officials - Howard Webb, Mark Clattenburg and Martin Atkinson - do fewer. Last season, Foy did seven lower-level games, including two League One matches.

So far this season, nine of the 16 Select Group of officials have taken charge of a Football League contest. League Two gets to see less of the Select Group than the divisions above, but last season it was graced by members of the Select Group 12 times. Kevin Friend, Mark Halsey, Mike Jones, Neil Swarbrick and Jon Moss went straight from a top-flight game to a fourth-tier match in the space of a week.

Ah, you say, what about Clattenburg? In charge of the 6-1 defeat by Manchester City and never seen again. At least not at a United game. At least not for 36 league matches.

The problem with this is that Clattenburg has not taken charge of Liverpool for 40 league games. Or Arsenal for 36. Or does the malign reach of Ferguson go farther than we all imagined?

Before we all tie ourselves in knots, let's state a few simple truths:

• United do benefit from refereeing decisions more than most
  
• It is difficult to get a penalty at Old Trafford if you're not wearing a red shirt
  
• United do have more power than most clubs in football
  

So let's address these issues. Home teams get more decisions from referees. Home teams with big crowds tend to do even better. It's simple psychology. Plus, when you have a lot of the ball and you camp out in the opposition half, you draw fouls. It used to happen at Anfield in the 1980s. It happened at Highbury around the millennium.

But why don't opposition teams get penalties at Old Trafford? For the same reason they don't score that many against United. They don't get into the home side's penalty area that often. It's the same reason why few teams don't win there.

The most interesting point, though, is United's political power. They are masters of back-room machinations. At one disciplinary session, the other club involved received polite but cursory greetings from the FA bigwigs involved. Enter Ferguson and the mood changed. The treatment the United delegation received was different. It was like a reunion of old friends and after the backslapping there was a scramble to make sure Ferguson was comfortable, that he had a hot drink and everything he needed. "I knew we'd lose then," a representative of the other club said. And they did.

But again, there's no conspiracy. Ferguson has status and respect for two reasons: longevity and success. United's success in the boardrooms is built on more than the manager, though.

When United play away games, David Gill, Sir Bobby Charlton and other high-ranking officials often attend. They glad-hand, they schmooze, they are humble in victory and generous in defeat. They make friends. It's networking at its best. United know how to negotiate the corridors of power, from the most ramshackle ground in the league to the G14 table.

Doesn't everyone do that?

No. Carlo Ancelotti was shocked to find that at some Chelsea away games he was the most senior club official in the stadium. A former manager of another club who were once on the wrong end of a set-to with United complained that his sole boardroom representative at away games was unable work the room like United's charm squad.

For all the spit-flying, hairdrying image that Ferguson likes to project, United know how to win friends and influence people. And they do.

So yes, United probably have more pull with the FA, Premier League, Uefa, Fifa, the Pope and God than your club. But they're not in the business of getting Foy, or any other referee blacklisted.

No conspiracy this time, sadly, just a quirk of the refereeing calender. But make no mistake. Powerful clubs flex their muscles whenever they can. And they don't come more powerful than United.

Enough about football. Let's talk about beer. I'm going to end my blogs from now on with my beer of the moment. This week, go to any lengths to find Dark Star's Green Hopped IPA. All Dark Star's beer's are worth finding and drinking but this is something special. It's 6.5% and has a hop attack that'll disable the mouth of a cooking-lager drinker. It's mostly found in the south of England so if you're at an away game down there, hunt it out. It's seasonal so do it quick. You'll enjoy it.

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[Captain Pluheit]

die Times steckt da zu tief in dem sumpf drinnen um objektiv darüber berichten zu können, oder so