ManU-L´pool

[Starostyak]

Das Spiel gewinnen wir...3:1 für die Red Devils...2x Ruud, ein Tor steuert Ronaldo bei

[ans]

Mein Tipp: 2:1 für uns .... hoffe auf ein gutes Spiel und den richtigen Sieger. Die Devils sind wieder im Kommen, das spüre ich.

[Camlann]

Ich hoffe auch auf ein gutes Spiel, leider nur Pub anstatt LIVE

[goleador2000]

Ich werde mir den Klassiker live auf Premiere geben - 21:00

Nach den letzten tollen Spielen meiner Reds erwarte ich mir ein gutes, schnelles, offenes, interessantes Spiel. ManU muß was tun, um nicht noch mehr Punkte liegen zu lassen und wir können auf die schnellen Spitzen und das torgefährliche Mittelfeld setzen und hoffentlich gefährliche Konter fahren, die zum Sieg führen...ein Unentschieden im Old Trafford wäre aber kein schlechtes Resultat...angesichts der haarsträubenden Fehler die die ManU-Abwehr in den letzten Spielen machte, ist aber für den FC Liverpool absolut ein Sieg drin !!!

mein gewagter Tipp: 1:3 Tore: Scholes; Cissé, Gerrard, Baros

Die vermutliche Aufstellung der Reds - ein verkapptes 4-4-2 mit Luis Garcia als hängender Spitze:

Dudek

Josemi - Hyppia - Carragher - Riise

Finnan - Xabi Alonso - Gerrard - Kewell

Luis Garcia

Cissé

[ianrush]

Ein sehr interessanter Artikel :

North-west hopes go south

Despite London's rise as the game's powerhouse, it's Europe that counts to fans in the north, says Paul Wilson

Sunday September 19, 2004

The Observer

Liverpool travel to Manchester United tomorrow, and while the North-West waits to see which of its two stuttering starters emerges with more optimism, the rest of the country goes about its business pretty much as usual.

There was a time when United v Liverpool defined the English championship and directly influenced the outcome of the title race. United never quite managed to dent Liverpool's overwhelming superiority in the 1970s and 1980s, just as Liverpool could not stop the Old Trafford juggernaut once it gathered pace in the 1990s, but by God they used to try. Now those memories are all that lifts tomorrow's proceedings above a mere mid-table game. The great North-West derby will never be an irrelevance - passions run too high for that - but it has become a sideshow to the main event. The real action is all too clearly taking place in London.

Who says? Arsène Wenger's managerial acuity and Roman Abramovich's deep pockets for a start. Otherwise known as the league table. And just half a dozen matches into the season, the armies of pundits attached to both clubs (copyright Gérard Houllier 1998-2004) have already decided the North-West giants are too far off the pace. Here's John Aldridge on the encouraging signs of revival under Rafael Benítez: 'It would be unfair to think we can we can win the league all of a sudden, we are so far behind teams like Arsenal. Progress this season would be a cup and an improvement in the Champions League.'

And here's Tommy Docherty, who tipped United to regain the title but changed his mind after a couple of weeks. 'The title is out of United's reach already. Fergie can't put his strongest side out until October and that's a huge start to give teams as strong as Arsenal and Chelsea.'

Docherty may be a controversialist and somewhat out of touch, but like many Mancunians he clings to the slightly desperate theory that a full-strength United would give Arsenal a run for their money. Even though a full-strength United never went a season unbeaten or began a campaign as impressively as Arsenal have started this one. United are dazed and confused at dropping nine points from their opening five games, and in denial over the implications, even though their situation would be still worse but for lucky last-minute equalisers at Bolton and Blackburn. 'We are drawing too many matches,' says Ruud van Nistelrooy. 'I'm convinced we can still pick it up though. We have gone on winning runs before.'

United's winning run in the league this season stands at one - Norwich at home. The possibility exists, and will have occurred to anyone who has seen United this year, that it is fatuous for anyone at Old Trafford to talk of winning runs when Arsenal are actually putting them together. If winning runs are the mark of great sides, then the mark of greatness has quietly slipped out of Manchester and relocated in North London, keeping an eye of the flashy new developments on the King's Road all the while.

As Alan Hansen has noticed, spirited Champions League fightback against Lyon notwithstanding, not much that United have produced so far this season has been in any way great. 'Four or five years ago United's midfield would frighten anybody, nowadays opponents look at the team sheet and fancy their chances,' Hansen says. 'Arsenal are beating them on the pitch and Chelsea are beating them in the transfer market.'

The former Liverpool captain thinks end-of-era type criticism might have the same galvanising effect within the Old Trafford dressing room as it once did at Anfield, but admits that during his playing days he never had to deal with anything like as strong a threat from London sides. In their pomp, Liverpool and Manchester United used to not-so-secretly relish their trips to London, but not any more. It is not just Arsenal and Chelsea: with even Tottenham looking brisk and organised the days of Three Point Lane might be over too. Hansen's heart may be on Merseyside, but his head spelled out the new reality when it appeared that Steven Gerrard would join Chelsea in the summer. He advised him to go, if he wanted an immediate change of winning major trophies. 'The harsh truth is that Chelsea can offer Gerrard more success and more money than Liverpool,' he explained.

Chelsea have won nothing yet, but with Abramovich's backing they are well placed to cash in on the capital's new-found status as the centre of English football. Or should that be the centre of football played in England? No one is pretending it is a particularly English game any longer and London's emergence may simply reflect the huge changes in domestic football over the last couple of decades. In time, the achievements of provincial giants like Liverpool and Manchester may come to be seen as belonging to a provincial era. When Liverpool ruled, all their players were British. When United were at their best, the home-grown nucleus of Paul Scholes, David Beckham, Nicky Butt and the Nevilles were to the fore. There is nothing remotely similar going on at Arsenal or Chelsea. One team scours the continent for the next generation of exciting players, the other pays top dollar for proven European talent. Either way, the clout and convenience of the capital city is an attraction, and provincialism appears to have had its day.

These are still early days, though. Manchester United have yet to unleash Wayne Rooney, surely the North-West's next big thing, even if Merseyside's graffiti artists have taken to describing him as a 'Manc Twat'. Rather a lot of the London boom is down to the individual contributions of Wenger and Abramovich, and it is not yet clear whether they will leave legacies as long-lasting as a Shankly or a Busby. Oh, and one other small thing. The European Cup.

'That has to be the gauge by which these regional rivalries are measured,' says Tony Wilson, Granada Television presenter, founder of Factory Records, original 24-Hour Party Person and unofficial spokesman for the North-West. 'Even as a Mancunian I accept that Liverpool are beating us 4-2 in terms of European Cups, but if it is the North-West versus London then the score is 6-0. That's truly pathetic, London, because even Birmingham and the East Midlands have managed a couple.

'I admit Arsenal look fantastic in the league at the moment, whereas our season has been ravaged by injuries, but talk of London ascendancy is premature when they have not even had a team in a European Cup final. I might be prepared to listen to the idea when London has won as many European Cups as, say, Nottingham Forest.'

Wilson is also dismissive of the notion that footballing glamour somehow attaches to the capital. 'I think all the bollocks about the North-West being all about whippets and fish and chips is put about by southern wankers at London-based newspapers,' he says. 'Manchester United is still the brand in this country, and if you cross the Channel or the Atlantic you find Liverpool is still the brand. Because European Cups are what count.

'I am certainly not writing off the season yet because I remember 1968 when United won their first European Cup. That season a team even more horrible than Arsenal won the league. City fans got precisely three-and-a-half days to celebrate. The same could happen to Arsenal, in fact I think they should start worrying right now.'

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[iceman]

wies wohl den ASB´ler in old trafford gefällt. ich hoffe auf einen reisebericht ...

mein tip: 3:2 ManU

[ianrush]

wies wohl den ASB´ler in old trafford gefällt. ich hoffe auf einen reisebericht ...

   

mein tip:  3:2  ManU

Wies wohl einem Dodl in Linz gefällt ? Sag mal deine Meinung Iceman...

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[Wokinger]

10. Minute, Stangenschuß aus rund 22 Metern von Ronaldo!

(oder war`s knapp daneben...)

Das hätte eben Elfer sein können, VanTheMan bei einer Großchance am Leiberl gezogen worden von Riise, aber Nistelrooy lässt sich nicht fallen, sondern bringt Schuß aus drei Metern Entfernung an, Dudek wehrt ab.

Also, ManU geht das Spiel sehr engagiert an, hatte schon zwei ganz gute Aktionen, L`pool war noch nicht wirklich im gegnerischen 16er.

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[iceman]

wies wohl den ASB´ler in old trafford gefällt. ich hoffe auf einen reisebericht ...

   

mein tip:  3:2  ManU

Wies wohl einem Dodl in Linz gefällt ? Sag mal deine Meinung Iceman...

also was ich so sehe ist das wetter ziemlich mies ....

[Wokinger]

Liveticker presented by Wokinger

GOOOOOAAAAAL!!!!!!!!!!!

20. Minute: 1:0, Mikael Silvestre!

Nach Freistoß-Flanke von Ronaldo aus der rechten Ecke (Foul von Hyypia), kommt Silvestre völlig frei zum Kopfball.

25. Min: erste Chance von Liverpool, Josemi mit einem Weitschuß, der daneben geht.

28. Min: Van Nistelrooy Chance durch Kopfball, zu schwach, sodaß Dudek fängt.

Unglaubliche Stimmung im Old Trafford, minutenlange Gesänge...

32. Min: Ronaldo-Schuß flach aus 14 Metern knapp links am Tor vorbei

35. Min: Riesenchance für ManU nach weitem Kopfball, Dudek mit Prachtparade.

Eckenverhältnis 5:0

39. Min: O`Shea verlängert per Kopf Flanke von Giggs, VanTheMan köpft knapp drüber

1. Wechsel: Steven Gerrard raus, Dietmar Hamann rein.

42. Wieder Kopfballchance, diesmal O`Shea selbst, Dudek pariert.

44. Min: Gelbe Karte für Josemi (L`pool)

Nachspielzeit: Eine Minute

Mit einer vedienten 1:0 Führung für die Gastgeber geht es in die Pause.

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[themanwho]

Spielt Liverpool eigentlich auch mit heute?

[Wokinger]

Nicht wirklich, aber ManU wirds nur mit Headern auch zu nix mehr bringen...

Bin gespannt, Liverpool hat ziemlich enttäuscht.

[themanwho]

Nicht wirklich, aber ManU wirds nur mit Headern auch zu nix mehr bringen...

Bin gespannt, Liverpool hat ziemlich enttäuscht.

Ich sehs eh

Liverpool spielt heute wie eine Amateurmannschaft, sobald sie mal den Ball haben rutscht Cisse aus oder spielt Luis Garcia einen Fehlpass.

Mit dem unterschlagenen Elfer hätte es schon vorher 1-0 stehen können, wenn man den Stangenschuß von Ronaldo nicht berücksichtigt.

Gerrard auch verletzt vom Platz, aber wurscht, bei ihm hat mans eh nicht gesehen ob er überhaupt mitspielt oder nicht.

[Wokinger]

Da zeigens ja grad "Rio`s Return", mit eigener Kamera, ja, er hat Cisse und Co ziemlich abgemeldet, sobald sie auch nur in seine Nähe kamen.

Jetzt wird wohl der Baros reinkommen...

Aja: Wenn du`s eh siehst, für wen schreib ich dann eigentlich?

[Wokinger]

Weiter gehts!

Ankick ManU, Wechsel hats keine weiteren gegeben.

46. Min: Freistoß-Flanke von links von Ronaldo, kleine Verwirrung in Liverpools Strafraum, doch VanTheMan kommt nicht zum Ball.

49. Min: Garcia wird von O`Shea gefoult wird, nach dem Freistoß die erste Ecke für L`pool, die nichts einbringt.

53:25 GOOOOOOAAAAAAL!!!

1:1 Ausgleich! Nach Freistoß-Flanke Kopfball am Pfosten, von Carrolls Oberschenkel und O`Shea`s Fuß ins Tor abgelenkt. Eigentor.

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