Tottenham Hotspur F.C.

[CarolusMagnus]

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This is shaping up to be a real battle to win hearts and minds. A full-scale propaganda war pitting THFC plc against its dissenting fans, UK Athletics, the odious David Lammy, West Ham, and Newham Council, with the government an interested onlooker. Each side has already displayed an unappealing side to their personas; Daniel Levy and the Spurs board have angered Haringey businesses and communities by arbitrarily and possibly deceitfully buying up land for the stadium that they now indicate they will not use, with the aid of CPOs. UK Athletics persists in its brainless delusions that Athletics in the UK is a massive sport that is capable of drawing 60,000 spectators to every irregular event they host, and refuse to see any reason whatsoever, babbling on about legacies and promises. David Lammy is using the entire issue to raise his profile and detract attention from his second-home claims being exposed, and is shamelessly threatening to sue the club he purports to support. West Ham, along with their parroting idiot in Karren Brady, have slandered Tottenham Hotspur’s bid at every opportunity, spinng lies and falsehoods while trying desperately to cover up their own vast financial inadequacies. And Tottenham’s own supporters have taken to an element of tribal divisions, splitting into pro and anti-Stratford clans, hurling abuse and accusing each other of not being supporters at all. The government itself has to remain neutral, but undoubtedly does so with a degree of support for Tottenham’s bid;after all, it’s in their interests to ensure that their own mindless lack of foresight does not become one of the biggest white elephants in the capital, again. It was the previous government’s stupidity to believe that UK Athletics could live up to its bold projections of attendance for its events, and that a running track around the ground would be perfectly acceptable to all parties. As for the West ham bid, the financial risks of that pack of cards actually taking over the stadium are enormous in the least, and preposterously dangerous in the extreme. However, as this excellent article points out, that fact is hidden behind a spinning web of crowd-peasing accusations, snarling, rabble-rousing rhetoric and arguments that serve only to highlight the severe lack of logic in political discourse today. Worse still, the sane, sensible arguments seem to have no place on an issue such as this. From the fans point of view, understandable-football is raw emotion fused into sport, and it is perfectly natural for supporters of the great game to be dictated by the heart, not the head. Tradition, culture, rivalries, passion, history-all these things matter to a supporter. But for emotional, factless arguments to be used by the major parties involved is mind-boggling. UK athletics with its delusional pride and inflated sense of self-worth arrogantly believing their own ‘build it and they will come’ mantra, david Lammy with his hollow, frothing rants about history and the local community, all of which are negated by his having a second home outside Haringey, West Ham with their unbelievably childish tantrums, an example being ‘Tottenham are parking their tanks on our lawn’, and Tottenham Hotspur’s own rather empty words about putting supporters first and foremost. The simple facts are as follows-

1)Tottenham need a new ground.

2)West Ham need a new ground.

3)The cobwebbed protectors of crumbling buildings no-one gives a flying fuck about, English Heritage, coupled with CABE, Transport for London, Haringey Council and the like, have driven up costs for the Northumberland Development Project. Mind you, not the stadium alone, which retains the same cost, more or less, but the project, which encompasses the hotel, supermarket and 150 homes associated with it. The original stadium capacity is cut by 4000, the hotel is forced to reduce the number of floors, and the number of homes is reduced to 150, all to satisfy the dim-witted EH. Tottenham are furious.

4)An 80,000 seater stadium is being built in nearby Stratford, which the government plans to lease out for 200 years to the most worthy interested party.

5)West Ham see an ideal opportunity to expand, or David and Gold see an opportunity to move into a cut-price stadium and sell the original land around the Boleyn Ground for their own profit. They put in a joint bid with Newham Council.

6)Tottenham apply for governmunt funding to aid the payment of the rising costs for the project, citing succesful government aid given to Arsenal for the Emirates and the FA for Wembley. The government refuse to provide any. Tottenham even more furious.

7)Tottenham see an opportunity to pressure Haringey council and the government on their lack of support and funding for the project. A bid is put in for the OS. Chairman Daniel Levy writes an open letter to the fans, emphasizing that he is a fan too.

8)West Ham now send storms of abuse at Tottenham about their locality, their lack of local support, and even at one stage, threaten riots around East London if tottenham are granted the stadium.

9)Haringey Council, and especially David Lammy, who hitherto was absolutely invisible and of no help whatsoever when EH and CABE were squeezing Tottenham’s proverbials, express outrage and disappointment at the decision. Tottenham fans console themselves that the club is merely hedging its bets.

10)Tottenham enlist AEG’s support for the bid. AEG claims that Tottenham will announce the OS as the primary venue if succesful. Tottenham also start hiring ex-Athletics Council and Olympic Bid Committee members. Unease grows that Tottenham may actually scrap the NDP altogether.

11)Tottenham’s bid details are revealed.

12) Tottenham’s bid provides solid proof that their 60,000-seater stadium, that they say they will build on the rubble of the original Olympic Stadium, which they plan to tear down after 2012,will be filled every week, judging by the season ticket waiting lists(which are misleading;every new One Hotspur Bronze, Silver, Gold or Platinum member gets put on the list, whether they want a season ticket or not;ergo, the 34,000), as well as provide assurances on the state of their quite healthy finances and a co-partnership with global entertainment giant AEG that will see the stadium facility used for concerts and entertainment events during the off-season to provide even more revenue. They also pledge to build a 25,000 seater athletics only venue (which was the original plan for the OS) in Crystal Palace with funding from their own pockets, with an option to expand it to 40,000 if the UK win the right to host the 2017 Athletics World Championship. They emphasize that the athletics track is damaging to the fan experience, which is why they plan to tear down the entire structure and build their originally planned NDP stadium on the site instead.

13)Details about West Ham’s bid seem difficult to come by, save for the fact that they will preserve the track, make only minor changes to the OS’s superstructure, and are confident of filling it, though where these extra 30,000 fans will come from remains a mystery. They keep mum about their finances.

14)UK Athletics dismiss Tottenham’s bid out of hand, evidence of their anger over the scrapping of the Athletics track.

15)Fans are furious about Tottenham’s by-now very real interest in the Stratford option. Cue bitter debates, both in pubs and online.

16)We Are N17 pops up as a protest movement against the proposed move to Stratford.

17)David Lammy now embarks on a cruasade of bile-filled rhetoric, claiming some sort of attachment to the club, disappointment over its behaviour, and threatening legal action and the forcible removal of the name ‘Tottenham’ from the club’s label if they move to stratford. Club dismiss his accusations as ‘baseless scare-mongering’.

18)Present day.

So make your own mind up about events and the circumstances surrounding this powder-keg. The propaganda war is in full swing, and it’s easy to be swayed by one side or another. What’s most important at a time like this is to make your own choice, certainly, and if it involves staying in N17 so be it, but do it based on a reasoned examination of the facts, the circumstances, and your own feelings. Don’t do it based on the by-now intense back-and-forth flame war that all parties are now trying to spark.

[CarolusMagnus]

Birmingham :redangry:

Keane :redangry:

[Bretwalda]

Pienaar?

[Jordi]

Bale - VdV - Krancjar - Lennon
Sandro - Palacios - Pienaar - Modric - Huddlestone - Jenas


Gomes

Eh logisch, Abwehrspieler und Stürmer sind sowieso overrated. Spiele werden im modernen Fußball mit Mittelfeldhoheit gewonnen. bearbeitet 18. Januar 2011 von Jordi

[fermin]

Eh logisch, Abwehrspieler und Stürmer sind sowieso overrated. Spiele werden im modernen Fußball mit Mittelfeldhoheit gewonnen.

naja, den crouch auf den unser prachtvolles 9-er mittelfeld die bälle hoch hinschupft brauch ma schon, oder?

[ladyjane]

Danke für den Tipp, dass schau ich eh immer wieder.

Komisch ist nur, dass gestern für kurze Zeit laut der Homepage die Haupttribüne wieder gelb war aber laut der Tickethotline doch keine Karten verfügbar waren

Naja, aufgegeben wird nur ein Brief

ein freund hat mich grad aufmerksam gemacht - SOUTH STAND = YELLOW !!! wahrscheinlich die retourgekommen bolton-tix .... würd mich seeeehr tummeln

[Green_White Anfield Devil]

ein freund hat mich grad aufmerksam gemacht - SOUTH STAND = YELLOW !!! wahrscheinlich die retourgekommen bolton-tix .... würd mich seeeehr tummeln

Habe dir eh eine PM geschickt, aber trotzdem nochmals kurz gesagt:

Danke vielmals für den wichtigen Tipp

[ladyjane]

Habe dir eh eine PM geschickt, aber trotzdem nochmals kurz gesagt:

Danke vielmals für den wichtigen Tipp

congrats to the tix

.... und viel spaß bei den spielen!!!

[p1]

Come on Spurs! Hab ein gutes Gefühl für heute Abend. Bei Tottenham fehlt Bale, bei Milan Van Bommel, Cassano, Pato und Ambrosini

[Jordi]

jetzt die pflicht erledigen und dann hoffentlich endlich ein attraktiver gegner in der nächsten runde

[acm1899]

Come on Spurs! Hab ein gutes Gefühl für heute Abend. Bei Tottenham fehlt Bale, bei Milan Van Bommel, Cassano, Pato und Ambrosini

Boateng und Pirlo hast du vergessen. Pato ist heute dabei, aber ob er von anfang an spielt ist noch ungewiss.

[Jordi]

Bale, VvV, Modric, Hudd

Da kommens heut eppa noch einstellig davon.

[p1]

Boateng und Pirlo hast du vergessen. Pato ist heute dabei, aber ob er von anfang an spielt ist noch ungewiss.

Achso okay. Das mit Pato hab ich vom ORF-Teletext.

[Kingkooli]

Bale, VvV, Modric, Hudd

Da kommens heut eppa noch einstellig davon.

Bei Van der Vaart schauts scheinbar nicht so schlecht aus, Modric könnte auch durchaus auflaufen. Hätten sie den stärksten Squad zur Verfügung würd ich den Spurs doch was zutrauen, so wirds natürlich ganz schwer. Redknapp hat mehrmals angekündigt alles andere als defensiv agieren zu wollen. Glaub ich halt auch erst wenn ichs seh.

[Jordi]